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It Looks Like The Senate DOES Have The Votes For A Public Option

by: Michael Conrad

Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 07:12:50 AM EST


Since the Bennet letter began to pick up steam, I've argued that the effort could realistically produce 50 Senate votes for a public option.  Now, for the first time since the Bennet letter surfaced, we have a clear path to 50 Senate votes.

Florida's Bill Nelson makes 41. He is the fourth Senator to join this week.

Why is Nelson's vote so important?  

Shortly after I re - started the "Going Public" series in mid - February, I broke Senate Democrats into three categories.  

Every Reason To Join: Akaka, Bingaman, Cantwell, Cardin, Casey, Dodd, Dorgan, Durbin, Harkin, Kaufman, Klobuchar, Kohl, Murray, Rockefeller, Mark Udall, and Wyden.

Need Vocal Constituent Support To Join:  Baucus, Begich, Carper, Conrad, Hagan, Johnson, McCaskill, Tester, Warner, and Webb.

Can't Imagine A Scenario In Which They Join:  Bayh, Landrieu, Lincoln, Ben Nelson, and Pryor.  I wrote that "Bill Nelson is most likely with them."

Since then, the efforts of grassroots Democrats have picked up everyone in the first group but Harkin, Kohl, and Rockefeller, two from the second group, and surprisingly, one from the third.  We're at the tipping point.

To 45

CS = Constituent Support
PS = Previous Support
OS = Other Senator from their state is on board.

Herb Kohl (Wisconsin) - CS, PS, OS
Past support:

"Ideally, I think health reform should include some type of a public option."

Tom Carper (Delaware) - CS, OS
Faces overwhelming constituent support.  He's a DLC champion who reversed himself on signing the Bennet letter in a bizarre way last month.  But he's probably smart enough to know that this is not going away.

Tom Harkin (Iowa) - CS, PS
Leading proponent of a public option.

Harkin is one of my "political heroes," an authentic progressive populist, and a Medicare for All supporter.  So I naturally have an extremely hard time believing that he would vote against the public option.  Judging by his most recent statements, Harkin doesn't think the votes are there on the House side.

Jay Rockefeller (West Virginia) - CS, PS
Also a leading proponent of a public option.

The Final 5

We would need five of the following eight.

Max Baucus (Montana)
If Baucus is the deciding vote against the public option, he would face the an incredibly intense backlash from MT Dems.  Thanks to the Gang of Six fiasco, Baucus is rightfully on very thin ice.

Mark Begich (Alaska)
Position unclear.

Kent Conrad (North Dakota)
See Max Baucus.

Kay Hagan (North Carolina)
Past support.

Claire McCaskill (Missouri)
Limited past support.

Mark Pryor (Arksansas)
Open to a public option.

Mark Warner (Virginia)
Not a big fan of a public option.  Politically though, he would have no coherent rationale for being the deciding vote against one.

Jim Webb (Virginia)
Past support:

"There is no reason to believe that private insurers alone will meet the public purpose of ensuring coverage for all American at an affordable price for taxpayers," Webb and 15 other senators wrote in an April letter urging that a public option be approved.

Note: I'm not including West Virginia's Robert Byrd because of his health difficulties, though Byrd did support a non - trigger public option in the past.  

The problem may very well be the House.  But first things first.  Because basic accountability is so important, Senators should be straightforward about how they would vote on the merits.  To clear this up, the remaining Dem Senators should be asked a simple question, in isolation from what is going on in the House.  

"If there is a vote on a public choice, how would you vote on the merits?"  

If they say that the votes in the Senate aren't there, they should be asked how they would vote if 49 other Dems were voting yes.  This is not a far - fetched scenario.  "We don't have the votes in the Senate" is no longer a very convincing argument.

Over to you Tom Carper, Tom Harkin, Herb Kohl, Jay Rockefeller, Max Baucus, Mark Begich, Kent Conrad, Kay Hagan, Claire McCaskill, Mark Pryor, Mark Warner, and Jim Webb.

Resource: The Washington Independent's Senate Public Option Scoreboard
Action: PCCC - Whip Congress

One more thing...

The Top Three Political Reasons Congressional Democrats Should Support Including A Public Option In Health Care Reform

- It's probably the only thing that can really close the enthuisasm gap.  We're talking about the difference between a November that is rough, and a November that is a disaster.

- Without it, the individual mandate is politically indefensible.  

- Many of those currently on the fence now have either already voted for a bill with a public option in it (on the floor or in committee), or voiced support for it.  They're already going to get attacked for it by the right.  Using reconciliation is going to make the Republican base freak out regardless of what is in the legislation.  The public option has been consistently popular.  If Dems are going to go this route, we might as well include important policy supported by a clear majority of the American people.  Among voters who will or potentially would vote for Democrats, support for a public option is sky high.  A significant number of the most active Dem voters consider it essential.  

Whether it's a public option or a Medicare Expansion, including a public choice is the right thing to do... and the smart thing to do.

UPDATE:  McJoan reports on Dick Durbin telling Senate Dems that they can't have a vote on the public option.  Durbin is arguing that it will jeopardize the whole reconciliation process, and Tom Carper is backing him up. If this argument is revealed to be seriously flawed, this move will backfire big time.

It looks like the votes in the Senate are there, but for whatever reason, some leading Dems don't want the vote to take place. If they don't want a vote on a public choice, they should say why.  But "we don't have the votes in the Senate" just isn't credible anymore.  

UPDATE #2:  Greg Sargent talks to Bernie Sanders, who says he is prepared to introduce a public option amendment.

UPDATE #3:  Ryan Grim reports that Durbin will whip votes for whatever comes out of the House.  Grim's headline says it best -- the public option is now "a matter of will, not votes."  

Michael Conrad :: It Looks Like The Senate DOES Have The Votes For A Public Option
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Public Option (3.00 / 4)
Hi Michael,

Just wanted to let you know I enjoyed your post and hope you're right about the votes.  Would love to think a PO or medicare buy-in is still within the realm of possibilites.  Passing either would mean Dem/liberal leadership for many years to come IMO.  

I've bookmarked the blog and will be back to visit many times I imagine.


Thanks Imsinca! (3.00 / 3)
Glad you enjoyed it.  And thanks for commenting.

I think a Medicare Choice Buy - In would be a really smart way to go.  It's nothing but upside.

Colbert Nation Gulf of America Fund


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You do realize that the public option is out of the public eye (3.00 / 3)
As I attempted to point out below in Cost Containment and Trust in "Bipartisan Reform" Barack Obama used a Public Option as a campaign platform and back when the public option was favored by 76% of the population the president dropped it like a stone. Now the public can hardly even remember a public option and the distrust has grown.

I remember the lack of commitment from the president and how with each and every speech Obama seemed a little interested. I'll never forget the day he dropped it entirely, it was the Saturday radio address before Netroots Nation. And then progressive switched to "he's working on it behind the scenes."I remember about 10 months ago when Kathleen Sebelius was on the NewsHour she answered "Does the president stand firmly behind a public option?" Her answer was "I think So." I remember Gibbs trying to side step the question over and over. And don't even get me started on Rahm but it would seem that the fix is in.  

Now we all got the letter from Howard Dean but I've seen him on television twice since and he dosen't have anything to say to the public about a public option. That letter is all about funds for DFA and this is strictly a blogger issue. It's the same old story, we are isolated.

It makes for a great blogger topic but we are promoting something that is far from the mainstream. We are hoping as we always have, we are all about secret promises from Howard Dean when the president is saying now and has been saying "No we can't."

If Bernie Sanders is going to argue with the president about how many votes there are in the Senate, I think the president will win. The hands off president is all about hands on now and judging by the way he has used the bully pulpit to kill a public option, I'd say it's a good bet that his say in this resolution will be that there is no vote on a public option no matter how many votes they have.  

 

"Democracy only works when we claim it as our own" -Bill Moyers


Eddie C (3.00 / 3)
I agree that Obama has traded away the PO and a whole host of other campaign promises.  I don't think it's disappeared from the public eye though and that's why progressives need to keep fighting for it.  Once this bill passes, if it passes, Americans will still be disgusted with the insurnce industry and their price gouging and a renewed call for some form of government run insurance will be front and center again.

The only way to win with this President is to keep fighting.  He's a centrist and a compromiser but that doesn't mean we can't eak out a few good reforms along the way.


Do what I did and put it to the test (3.00 / 3)
You don't think it is out of the public eye so walk up to any American, ask them if they are a progressive blogger. If the answer is no than just ask "When is the last time you heard about the public option?"  

"Democracy only works when we claim it as our own" -Bill Moyers

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Reply to Eddie C (3.00 / 3)
Most of the public is clueless when it comes to legislation anyway and progressive bloggers, and as Michael pointed out, the Senators who keep signing on to the issue, will have no trouble bringing it back to the foreground.  If this bill gets signed don't you think there will be new movement toward some form of a PO?  Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but I don't see the point of this whip count in the Senate and continued support if that isn't the plan regardless of what Obama thinks of it right now.  Just my opinion.  

Great diary, MC (3.00 / 2)
Eddie C is right about a number of things. Obama did drop it when it was most popular. Obama did lie about campaigning on it and his blind no holds barred supporters convinced themselves he never campaigned on it. It's also an uphill battle. It seems Oabam is trying to maintain that deal he made with private for profit hospitals to kill the public option and use his bully pulpit for reform without it.

However 56% might not be 76% support for the public option but it's better than 35% for the Senate bill.

I don't think DFA and Howard Dean have sold out yet, though every once in awhile I am afraid Dean is going to give in, but he hasn't yet. Howard Dean is really pushing the Medicare 55+(I've seen him a lot lately, at least on MSNBC the 2nd place network to Faux) which is an OK replacement in my view because it sets a precedent. Dean has taken some steps against this WH to his detriment. It would of been easier and more beneficial for him to just support whatever the president did, but then Obama sent the old Bin Laden attack ad producing Robert Gibbs after Dean whom attacked Dean in 2004 when he was working for John Kerry.

David Sirota explains well why Dean still deserves some kudos back when he came out against the Senate bill and he still doesn't like it. Dean is doing a lot of good in my view and one of the only Democrats worthy of any trust. Ed has sold out and pissed me off lately. I still watch him, but I don't think Obama is owed my support on anything as Ed Schultz put it. Howard Dean told Ed he still doesn't like the Senate bill and that we don't need a mandate. We shouldn't have one for just insurance reform as he didn't in VT.

But the Senate rules on reconciliation and the allotment of endless amendments works in our favor. Bernie Sanders does plan to offer a public option amendment and that is where we will find our up or down vote, though Dick Durbin is trying to stop this as I laid out today in the twilight. to add insult to injury, he signed the Bennett letter. That makes me think Eddie C could very well be right that we should be pretty pessimistic at this point. I don't think Durbin's excuses hold up, though. I'm glad Bernie is going to give it a go. You never know, I think a public option amendment could make it, even though Senate leadership is trying its hardest for that not to happen unfortunately.

You show that the votes are perceivable there which will take place if sanders gets his vote. At this point, sanders is our only hope, no thanks to Dick Durbin and Senate Leadership.

Thanks for all your hard work.




I'm with you (3.00 / 1)
on Ed Shultz.  I admire his passion, and his advocacy for issues like EFCA, but having Lanny Davis and pretending Davis was right all along was a huge mistake.  Lanny Davis is the worst kind of Beltway hack.  If the Dem grassroots had listened to him, this bill would be half way between Max Baucus and Susan Collins right now.

I don't know what Durbin is thinking either.  Especially considering the e - mails he sent out a few months ago (as part of Citizens For A Public Option) that explicitly made the case against the trigger and even the opt out.  He said the grassroots forced their hand after Reid went for the opt - out (as opposed to scrapping the PO), so I don't know why he thinks this couldn't happen again.  Educated guess: I think what we're seeing now is the result of terrible conventional wisdom gaining traction in the House,  McCaskill, Warner, Webb, and Hagan thinking a vote for reconciliation will somehow be attacked less than a vote for recon. w/ the PO (the genius of the "Centrist" Score Card Theory at work again), and the WH deal with private hospitals.

This is extremely frustrating because it's weak policy and really bad politics.  Sometimes we need to be willing to do what is right even if it's unpopular for the moment (like opposing the war in Iraq), but this isn't one of those times.  This is Special Interests / Timidity vs. Actual Pragmatism.

You're welcome!  I'm glad you like it!  

Colbert Nation Gulf of America Fund


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